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      CommentAuthorVanderwaal
    • CommentTimeJul 16th 2015 edited
     
    It's time for a little forum game again. In this game you have to find out what happened. To do this you have to answer closed questions (questions that can only be answered with yes or no).

    Here's the introduction:

    A woman was walking through the shopping center. In the display window of a shoe store she saw some wonderful shoes with high heels. Those heels were higher than the shoes she normally wore, but she still decided to buy those shoes. Later her husband killed her. This would not have happened if the woman didn't buy the shoes. Find out why.


    Was she wearing the shoes when she died
    Did she die in a public area?
    Was her husband with her when she died?
    Was anyone else with her when she died?
    After death, was there blood visible?
    Was she standing up when she died?
    Did she die because something hit her in the head?
    Were they watching/attending an event when she died?
    Did her husband actively kill her?
    Was her husband the only person involved in the killing?
    Was her extra height from the new shoes involved in how she died?
    If she were, say, six inches shorter, would she have died in the same way?
    Was the thing that hit her a projectile (e.g. someone threw something at her)?
    Was her husband intending to have a projectile go above her but not hit her?


    Did her husband intend to kill his wife?
    Did he mistake her for someone who shouldn\'t have been there?
    Did the woman die by falling (on anything)?
    Those heels were so expensive that her husband didn\'t like it and killed her?
    Did she get stabbed by the high heels?
    Did it happen in the dark?
    Did she die in a car crash?
    Were her shoes damaged when she was killed?
    Did the husband smack her in the head with something heavy?
    Did she trip on something that she would not have been able to trip on with the lower heel shoes?
    Did she buy anything else on her shopping trip?
    Did she die on her property?
    Did she intend to return the shoes?
    Did her husband tell her to return the shoes?
    Did she die in the mall?
    Did someone push her?
    Did she die on the way home from the mall?
    Was she touching anyone when she died? (yes this includes cloths such as touching a shirt, etc)
    After death, was there blood everywhere?
    Is her husband blind?
    Did she get shot?
    Was her husband forced to kill her (perhaps under threat of his own death or the like)?
    Is she some sort of governmental authority figure (e.g. president, mayor, police officer, etc)
    Is her HUSBAND some sort of governmental authority figure?
    Was she killed because she stood up?
    Did her increased height kill her?
    Was the husband charged with murder?
    Was there an apple on her head when she died?
    • CommentAuthorXyuzhg (Moderator)
    • CommentTimeJul 16th 2015
     
    We've played this kind of game before, Vanderwaal, albeit not on the forum. :P

    Did she actually wear the shoes?-----------------
    Hopefully PA is inconsistent.
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      CommentAuthorVanderwaal
    • CommentTimeJul 17th 2015
     
    I remember that as well, Xyuzhg. But for your question:

    Did she actually wear the shoes?

    Yes, she did.
    • CommentAuthorXyuzhg (Moderator)
    • CommentTimeJul 17th 2015 edited
     
    Did her husband intend to kill his wife?-----------------
    Hopefully PA is inconsistent.
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      CommentAuthorVanderwaal
    • CommentTimeJul 17th 2015
     
    Did her husband intend to kill his wife?

    No, he didn't.
    • CommentAuthorXyuzhg (Moderator)
    • CommentTimeJul 17th 2015
     
    Did he think she was a thief?-----------------
    Hopefully PA is inconsistent.
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      CommentAuthorVanderwaal
    • CommentTimeJul 17th 2015
     
    Did he think she was a thief?

    No, he didn't.
    • CommentAuthorXyuzhg (Moderator)
    • CommentTimeJul 17th 2015
     
    That might have been too specific. xD

    Did he think she was someone who shouldn't have been where she was?-----------------
    Hopefully PA is inconsistent.
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      CommentAuthorVanderwaal
    • CommentTimeJul 17th 2015
     
    Reworded in the chat: Did he mistake her for someone who shouldn't have been there?

    No.
    • CommentAuthorXyuzhg (Moderator)
    • CommentTimeJul 17th 2015
     
    Did the woman die by falling (on anything)?-----------------
    Hopefully PA is inconsistent.
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      CommentAuthorVanderwaal
    • CommentTimeJul 17th 2015
     
    Did the woman die by falling (on anything)?

    No, she didn't die that way.
    • CommentAuthorYSNP
    • CommentTimeJul 17th 2015
     
    Those heels were so expensive that her husband didn't like it and killed her?
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      CommentAuthorVanderwaal
    • CommentTimeJul 17th 2015
     
    Those heels were so expensive that her husband didn't like it and killed her?

    That was the first though I had when I was told this 'riddle', but no.
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      CommentAuthorBioManiac R2 (Moderator)
    • CommentTimeJul 17th 2015
     
    can we only ask one question?

    did she get stabbed by the high heels?

    did her husband wear the shoes?

    did it happen in the dark?

    was she wearing the shoes when she died?

    was HE wearing the shoes when she died?

    did she die in a car crash?

    is the answer something absolutely ridiculous that we would not guess like aliens wanting the shoes and killing her for them?
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      CommentAuthorVanderwaal
    • CommentTimeJul 17th 2015
     
    can we only ask one question?

    No

    did she get stabbed by the high heels?

    No

    did her husband wear the shoes?

    No XD

    did it happen in the dark?

    No, not really.

    was she wearing the shoes when she died?

    Yes

    was HE wearing the shoes when she died?

    No. And this question sounds a lot like another question.

    did she die in a car crash?

    No

    is the answer something absolutely ridiculous that we would not guess like aliens wanting the shoes and killing her for them?

    No, even though the answer isn't easy to find it also isn't THAT ridiculous.
    • CommentAuthorXyuzhg (Moderator)
    • CommentTimeJul 17th 2015
     
    Were her shoes damaged when she was killed?

    (If not,) did she die by head trauma?-----------------
    Hopefully PA is inconsistent.
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      CommentAuthorMathdude314 (Advanced Member)
    • CommentTimeJul 17th 2015
     
    Did her husband use a weapon to kill her?-----------------
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      CommentAuthorBioManiac R2 (Moderator)
    • CommentTimeJul 17th 2015
     
    if it was unintentional I'm not even sure it could be considered a "weapon" since theoretically anything could be considered a weapon, but it's how you use it that makes it a weapon.

    ie: knife, crowbar, extension cord, weights, etc.
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      CommentAuthorVanderwaal
    • CommentTimeJul 17th 2015
     
    Were her shoes damaged when she was killed?

    No

    (If not,) did she die by head trauma?

    Yes

    Did her husband use a weapon to kill her?

    See Bio's comment.
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      CommentAuthorBioManiac R2 (Moderator)
    • CommentTimeJul 17th 2015
     
    Did the husband smack her in the head with something heavy?

    which otherwise wouldn't have hit her if she wasn't wearing the tall shoes?
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      CommentAuthorVanderwaal
    • CommentTimeJul 17th 2015
     
    Did the husband smack her in the head with something heavy?

    No

    which otherwise wouldn't have hit her if she wasn't wearing the tall shoes?

    This is a continuation of the previous question. Since the answer to that question was no this one is no as well.
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      CommentAuthorMathdude314 (Advanced Member)
    • CommentTimeJul 17th 2015
     
    I think I have it.
    Did she trip on something that she would not have been able to trip on with the lower heel shoes?

    (BTW, her husband didn't kill her since it wasn't deliberate)-----------------
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      CommentAuthorMathdude314 (Advanced Member)
    • CommentTimeJul 17th 2015 edited
     
    Another one: Did she set off some kind of alarm due to her increased height?
    eEdit: Another one: Is she a human? (just in case)-----------------
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      CommentAuthorBioManiac R2 (Moderator)
    • CommentTimeJul 17th 2015
     
    Mathdude, he already said she didn't fall, so i'm not sure how you trip and die without falling.
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      CommentAuthorVanderwaal
    • CommentTimeJul 18th 2015 edited
     
    Did she trip on something that she would not have been able to trip on with the lower heel shoes?

    No

    Did she set off some kind of alarm due to her increased height?

    No

    Is she a human?

    Yes
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      CommentAuthorMathdude314 (Advanced Member)
    • CommentTimeJul 18th 2015 edited
     
    Head trauma... Uh...


    I have ideas!
    (1) Was she riding a bicycle when she died?
    (2) Did she buy anything else on her shopping trip?
    (3) Did she INTEND to buy anything else on her shopping trip?
    (4) Did she die on her property?
    (5) Were the shoes DIRECTLY related to the death?-----------------
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      CommentAuthorVanderwaal
    • CommentTimeJul 18th 2015
     
    (1) Was she riding a bicycle when she died?

    No

    (2) Did she buy anything else on her shopping trip?

    No

    (3) Did she INTEND to buy anything else on her shopping trip?

    No

    (4) Did she die on her property?

    No

    (5) Were the shoes DIRECTLY related to the death?

    I'm not sure what you believe can and can't be considered directly, but in my opinion the answer is 'no'.
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      CommentAuthorBioManiac R2 (Moderator)
    • CommentTimeJul 18th 2015
     
    Mathdude's questions have inspired some more from me.

    did she intend to return the shoes?

    did her husband tell her to return the shoes?

    did she die in the mall?

    did someone push her?

    did she die on the way to the mall?

    did she die on the way home from the mall?

    did she die in a public area?

    was her husband with her when she died?

    was anyone else with her when she died?

    was she touching anyone when she died? (yes this includes cloths such as touching a shirt, etc)

    was she touching her husband when she died? (yes this includes cloths such as touching a shirt, etc)

    after death, was there blood everywhere?

    after death, was there blood at all visible?

    was she standing up when she died?

    did she die because something hit her in the head?

    did a piano fall on her ?

    is her husband blind ?
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      CommentAuthorVanderwaal
    • CommentTimeJul 18th 2015
     
    did she intend to return the shoes?

    No

    did her husband tell her to return the shoes?

    No

    did she die in the mall?

    No

    did someone push her?

    No

    did she die on the way to the mall?

    No

    did she die on the way home from the mall?

    No

    did she die in a public area?

    Yes

    was her husband with her when she died?

    Yes

    was anyone else with her when she died?

    Yes

    was she touching anyone when she died? (yes this includes cloths such as touching a shirt, etc)

    No

    was she touching her husband when she died? (yes this includes cloths such as touching a shirt, etc)

    No

    after death, was there blood everywhere?

    No

    after death, was there blood at all visible?

    Yes

    was she standing up when she died?

    Yes

    did she die because something hit her in the head?

    Yes

    did a piano fall on her ?

    No :P

    is her husband blind ?

    No

    Bonus question from me to me: are you tired after answering so many questions?

    No
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      CommentAuthorBioManiac R2 (Moderator)
    • CommentTimeJul 18th 2015 edited
     
    did she get shot?

    I'm trying to make sense of "something" hit her in the head but her husband didn't hit her with something, yet he caused her death........
    • CommentAuthorXyuzhg (Moderator)
    • CommentTimeJul 18th 2015
     
    Rather than simply asking all the questions you can think of, it's better to form a hypothesis from all the questions already asked and test it in a general sense.

    Were they watching/attending an event when she died?-----------------
    Hopefully PA is inconsistent.
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      CommentAuthorMathdude314 (Advanced Member)
    • CommentTimeJul 18th 2015
     
    Did her husband actively kill her (e.g. he stabbed her) or passively (e.g. he deliberately avoided saving her from falling when he could have)?-----------------
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      CommentAuthorMathdude314 (Advanced Member)
    • CommentTimeJul 18th 2015
     
    Was she in some sort of play or movie?-----------------
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      CommentAuthorVanderwaal
    • CommentTimeJul 19th 2015
     
    did she get shot?

    No

    Were they watching/attending an event when she died?

    Yes

    Did her husband actively kill her (e.g. he stabbed her) or passively (e.g. he deliberately avoided saving her from falling when he could have)?

    Yes :P

    Was she in some sort of play or movie?

    Yes
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      CommentAuthorVanderwaal
    • CommentTimeJul 19th 2015
     
    I've edited the first post to show the answers to all of the questions. In the process I filtered out the questions I believe didn't help you at all and the redundant questions.
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      CommentAuthorMathdude314 (Advanced Member)
    • CommentTimeJul 19th 2015 edited
     
    Ok, I revise my question to just "Did her husband actively kill her?"

    Also, since she was in a play or movie:
    (1) Was her HUSBAND in the same play/movie?
    (2) Was her character in the play/movie supposed to die then? (Like, her character was supposed to die, and accidentally her real self died as well?)
    (3) Was it a movie? (no = play)


    EDIT: I have a plot idea where we make each one EXACTLY 50 posts, so each page is its own puzzle. According to this, we have 14 posts left, so consolidate your questions or be more efficient.-----------------
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      CommentAuthorVanderwaal
    • CommentTimeJul 19th 2015
     
    Did her husband actively kill her?

    Yes

    Was her HUSBAND in the same play/movie?

    No

    Was her character in the play/movie supposed to die then? (Like, her character was supposed to die, and accidentally her real self died as well?)

    No

    Was it a movie?

    No

    By the way, I suspect I interpreted one of your questions different from how you interpreted it.
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      CommentAuthorMathdude314 (Advanced Member)
    • CommentTimeJul 19th 2015 edited
     
    Which question was interpreted wrongly?

    Anyway...
    Was her husband the only person involved in the killing? (no = someone else helped kill the woman, even if this was not their intent)
    Was her extra height from the new shoes involved in how she died? (no = some other factor about the shoes led to her death)

    Or, a rephrasing of the last question: If she were, say, six inches shorter, would she have died in the same way?
    Was the thing that hit her a projectile (e.g. someone threw something at her)? (no = she hit a stationary object)
    Was her husband forced to kill her (perhaps under threat of his own death or the like)?
    Is she some sort of govewrnmental authority figure (e.g. president, mayor, police officer, etc)
    Is her HUSBAND some sort of governmental authority figure?
    Was the killing deliberate (note that yes means anyone, including herself, could have deliberately killed her)
    Is Vanderwaal 100% sure he's answered every single question accurately (excluding the one he explicitly said he might have misinterpreted)?
    By any chance, is the answer "the situation is impossible, as there is no way for this to happen with the clues provided"?


    I'm trying to make sense of "something" hit her in the head but her husband didn't hit her with something, yet he caused her death...


    EDIT: Dibs on puzzle two! I have a really good one.-----------------
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    • CommentAuthorXyuzhg (Moderator)
    • CommentTimeJul 19th 2015
     
    Were her shoes necessary for her role in the play?
    Was her husband part of the play's production/theater staff?
    Was there damage to the stage (set, machinery, floor, etc.) when she died?-----------------
    Hopefully PA is inconsistent.
    • CommentAuthorpuzzle geek (Advanced Member)
    • CommentTimeJul 20th 2015
     
    I like this :)

    Was the husband part of stage crew or something backstage like that?

    Was she killed by something falling on here head?

    Was she killed becuase she stood up? (was she sitting, then stood up, and then died becuase she stood upwards)

    Did her increased height kill her?

    Was the husband charged with murder?

    Was the play she was acting in a high action play?

    I think i might know the answer :)-----------------
    puzzled
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      CommentAuthorMathdude314 (Advanced Member)
    • CommentTimeJul 20th 2015
     
    Geek, one of your questions has already been asked
    Was her extra height from the new shoes involved in how she died?-----------------
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      CommentAuthorVanderwaal
    • CommentTimeJul 20th 2015 edited
     
    Math, a question from me for you already answered by me: Am I allowed to determine myself what a 'no' means?

    NO!

    And it looks like I interpreted one of the questions different from you, so I'm going to clear that up:

    Was she in a play or movie?

    No


    Now for the other questions. I filtered out the questions that were derived from this misunderstanding:


    Was her husband the only person involved in the killing?

    Yes

    Was her extra height from the new shoes involved in how she died?

    Yes

    If she were, say, six inches shorter, would she have died in the same way?

    Yes

    Was the thing that hit her a projectile (e.g. someone threw something at her)?

    Yes

    Was her husband forced to kill her (perhaps under threat of his own death or the like)?

    No

    Is she some sort of govewrnmental authority figure (e.g. president, mayor, police officer, etc)

    What does govewrnmental mean? If you meant governmental the answer is no.

    Is her HUSBAND some sort of governmental authority figure?

    No

    Was the killing deliberate (note that yes means anyone, including herself, could have deliberately killed her)

    No

    Is Vanderwaal 100% sure he's answered every single question accurately (excluding the one he explicitly said he might have misinterpreted)?

    No :P In games like this you really get annoyed by the fact many words have fuzzy edges, so you don't always know what you have to answer.

    By any chance, is the answer "the situation is impossible, as there is no way for this to happen with the clues provided"?

    No

    Was she killed by something falling on here head?

    No

    Was she killed becuase she stood up? (was she sitting, then stood up, and then died becuase she stood upwards)

    No

    Did her increased height kill her?

    No

    Was the husband charged with murder?

    No
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      CommentAuthorVanderwaal
    • CommentTimeJul 20th 2015
     
    How do those two answers contradict?
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      CommentAuthorVanderwaal
    • CommentTimeJul 20th 2015 edited
     
    Really? I believe "Did her increased height kill her?" is way more specific about the cause of death than "Was the extra height in the new shoes involved in how she dies?"
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      CommentAuthorMathdude314 (Advanced Member)
    • CommentTimeJul 20th 2015
     
    Oh. Then that gives us a LOT of information!!


    I still think the answer is "the situation is impossible".-----------------
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      CommentAuthorBioManiac R2 (Moderator)
    • CommentTimeJul 20th 2015
     
    I honestly have no idea what the play/movie thing has to do with it. but here's what I've had in mind for a while but didn't ask yet.

    was there an apple on her head when she died?
    • CommentAuthorpuzzle geek (Advanced Member)
    • CommentTimeJul 20th 2015
     
    in the first post you said taht she is in a play or movie tho...?-----------------
    puzzled
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      CommentAuthorMathdude314 (Advanced Member)
    • CommentTimeJul 20th 2015
     
    Bio's question gave it away!
    It was some kind of talent show or the like. It was a trick where he was supposed to shoot a target off her head, however due to her increased height he killed her by mistake!

    Once again I call dibs on puzzle two...-----------------
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      CommentAuthorBioManiac R2 (Moderator)
    • CommentTimeJul 21st 2015 edited
     
    ... i just don't see how the increase in height caused her death if it was a talent to shoot it off her head... unless he was blindfolded or something...
    but even if he was he would look before he shot and adjust his aim accordingly... which is why I didn't say this earlier when you said he wasn't blind.

    EDIT: also you said she didn't get shot, so I guess this isn't how she died anyway. Maybe he just threw the apple at her instead xD

    I'm having a debate with myself to determine if it was more confusing that you said she didn't get shot, or, if you had said yes, she was shot, and we had to figure out it wasn't a gun...

    I've concluded that you should have a third response, refusing to answer the question and labeling it "too vague". This also would result very well for the "play or movie" question.
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      CommentAuthorVanderwaal
    • CommentTimeJul 21st 2015
     
    Was there an apple on her head when she died?

    No

    in the first post you said taht she is in a play or movie tho...?

    No?