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    • CommentAuthorXyuzhg (Moderator)
    • CommentTimeJul 29th 2015 edited
     
    A successful, upstanding man returns from work to his family. On the way back, he decides to buy a pack of cigarettes. However, as a result, once he reaches home, he is murdered by his wife. Find out why.




    • was in his house
    • did not appear to be an accident
    • was somewhere between 0 and 5 minutes after he entered the house with the cigarettes
    • was by being shot, not stabbed, burned, nor hanged, nor by head trauma
    • would not have occurred if he did not buy the cigarettes
    • was not related to the extra time required for buying cigarettes, nor to the object specifically being cigarettes, nor to the process of him purchasing the cigarettes
    • did not happen near his children


    He:
    • did not smoke any of the cigarettes
    • has not smoked recently (last two weeks)
    • has not bought any before
    • did not buy them for himself nor anyone in his family, nor to be used
    • was not supposed to buy anything else on his way


    He:
    • told her that he was buying the cigarettes
    • did not buy nor intend to buy anything else on his way home
    • successfully paid for the cigarettes
    • got inside the house alive


    He:
    • has never killed anyone
    • does not beat his wife, abuse his children, nor eat children
    • was not having an affair nor cheating on his wife
    • does not have multiple wives



    • does not smoke
    • intended to kill the man
    • knew, approved of, wanted for, and initiated the idea of him buying cigarettes
    • killed him not solely on the reason of him buying cigarettes
    • was charged with, but not convicted of murder
    • did not kill him on impulse, but did not plan the murder before he got home
    • did not want him to buy anything else
    • was in some sort of mind-altering state
    • was not under the influence of any substance, including medication
    • has a mental condition that made her want to kill him
    • does not have a split personality nor Alzheimer\\'s
    • was not sleepy
    • was not a police officer


    Figuring out
    • how he was murdered will not give valuable information
    • why the woman\\'s mind was in an altered state will give valuable information
    • how many kids they have and what their genders and ages are will not give valuable information


    • They are humans with biological children.
    • Their children do not smoke illegally, nor want to.
    • The fact that they have biological children was involved in the murder.
    • If the man was gay and married to a man, a similar thing could also happen, but not if they did not have children.

    • The pack of cigarettes was not opened before he was killed.
    • The cigarettes did not have some kind of symbolic meaning.
    • Either the man or his wife suggested that he buys cigarettes.
    • The cigarettes were not intended to be used for anything other than smoking.

    • There wasn\\'t anyone outside of his family (wife and children) inside the house between when he bought the cigarettes and 5 minutes after he died.


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    • CommentAuthorXyuzhg (Moderator)
    • CommentTimeJul 29th 2015
     
    Mathdude314:

    Again, you have 'clarified' your question by asking a subtly different question not actually equivalent to the original.

    (24) No, the murder was not specifically related to the object being cigarettes. The parenthesized question is not specific enough for an answer.-----------------
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      CommentAuthorMathdude314 (Advanced Member)
    • CommentTimeJul 29th 2015
     
    Ok, I think I might have something here. Remember in Van's post, when Bio asked "was there an apple on her head" that gave it away instantly before Van even answered.

    (25) Was there anyone outside of his family (I mean wife and kids, not other relatives) inside the house at the time of death?
    (26) Was there anyone outside of his family inside the house between when he bought the cigarettes and was murdered?
    (27) Was there anyone outside of his family inside the house 5 minutes after he died?
    (28) If the answer to any of those questions is yes, then: Was that person (or one of those people) a smoker?
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      CommentAuthorVanderwaal
    • CommentTimeJul 29th 2015
     
    • did not kill him on impulse, but did not plan the murder before he got home
    • died somewhere between 0 and 5 minutes after entering the house with the cigarettes

    Wait, this sounds like a contradiction to me. She didn't have the plan to kill him before he entered the house. The man died within five minutes of entering the house. Since she changed her mind from 'I'm not going to kill him' to 'I'm going to kill him' within 5 minutes it sounds like she killed him in an impulse. But that is not the case.
    Does anyone see what I'm overlooking?
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      CommentAuthorMathdude314 (Advanced Member)
    • CommentTimeJul 29th 2015 edited
     
    She had a reason. Maybe she thought for 3 minutes and killed him.

    (29) Are any of the kids over 18 (or whatever the legal age is in this puzzle)?-----------------
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    • CommentAuthorXyuzhg (Moderator)
    • CommentTimeJul 29th 2015
     
    Mathdude314:

    (25) No.
    (26) No.
    (27) No.
    (29) No.

    I assure that I haven't made any mistakes with the answers.-----------------
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      CommentAuthorMathdude314 (Advanced Member)
    • CommentTimeJul 29th 2015
     
    (30) Do any of the kids smoke illegally?
    (31) Do any of the kids WANT to smoke illegally?-----------------
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      CommentAuthorVanderwaal
    • CommentTimeJul 29th 2015
     
    Did the man have two or more wives?
    • CommentAuthorXyuzhg (Moderator)
    • CommentTimeJul 29th 2015
     
    Mathdude314:

    (30) No.
    (31) No.

    Vanderwaal:

    No, the man does not have multiple wives.-----------------
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      CommentAuthorMathdude314 (Advanced Member)
    • CommentTimeJul 29th 2015
     
    (32) Were the cigarettes intended to be used for something other than smoking?
    I want to ask how he died but that's open... so...
    (33) Did he get shot?
    (34) Did he die from head trauma?
    (35) Was he stabbed?
    (36) Was he burned to death?
    (37) Was he hanged?-----------------
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    • CommentAuthorXyuzhg (Moderator)
    • CommentTimeJul 29th 2015
     
    (32) No.
    (33) Yes.
    (34) No.
    (35) No.
    (36) No.
    (37) No.-----------------
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      CommentAuthorVanderwaal
    • CommentTimeJul 29th 2015
     
    Then how about:

    Did the man cheat on his wife?

    And since I don't really know what I should look at:

    Will figuring out how he was murdered give valuable information?
    Will figuring out why the woman was in a mind-altered stage give valuable information?
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      CommentAuthorMathdude314 (Advanced Member)
    • CommentTimeJul 29th 2015 edited
     
    (38) Did he successfully pay for the cigarettes?
    (39) Was Ann a police officer?
    (40) Was the fact that they had children involved in the murder?-----------------
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    • CommentAuthorXyuzhg (Moderator)
    • CommentTimeJul 29th 2015 edited
     
    Vanderwaal:

    No, the man did not cheat on his wife.
    No, figuring out how he was murdered will not give valuable information.
    Yes, figuring out why the woman's mind was in an altered state will give valuable information.

    I like those meta-questions. :P

    Mathdude314:

    (38) Yes.
    (39) No.
    (40) Yes.-----------------
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      CommentAuthorMathdude314 (Advanced Member)
    • CommentTimeJul 29th 2015
     
    I thought about this more and came up with this:
    (41) Was his death related to the PURCHASING of the cigarettes (as opposed to the fact that he has them)? (For example, was it related to what place he got them, or how much they cost, or what type they are?)

    For example, there might have been some kind of side effect, or maybe he spend way too much money on them, or something like that.-----------------
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    • CommentAuthorXyuzhg (Moderator)
    • CommentTimeJul 29th 2015
     
    (41) No, his death was not related to the process of him purchasing the cigarettes.-----------------
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      CommentAuthorMathdude314 (Advanced Member)
    • CommentTimeJul 29th 2015 edited
     
    (42) Will figuring out how many kids they have give valuable information?
    (43) Will figuring out the genders of the kids give valuable info?
    (44) Will figuring out the ages of the kids give valuable info?-----------------
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    • CommentAuthorXyuzhg (Moderator)
    • CommentTimeJul 29th 2015
     
    (42-44) No.-----------------
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      CommentAuthorVanderwaal
    • CommentTimeJul 29th 2015
     
    Was at least one of the children near the father when he was murdered?

    And because I want to know why the woman was in the mind-altering stage:

    Was the woman under the effect of illegal drugs?
    Was the woman under effect of alcohol?
    Was the woman under effect of nicotine?
    Was the woman under effect of medication?
    • CommentAuthorXyuzhg (Moderator)
    • CommentTimeJul 29th 2015 edited
     
    No, none of the children were near the father when he was murdered.
    No, the woman was not under the effect of illegal drugs.
    No, the woman was not under effect of alcohol.
    No, the woman was not under effect of nicotine.
    No, the woman was not under effect of medication.-----------------
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      CommentAuthorMathdude314 (Advanced Member)
    • CommentTimeJul 29th 2015
     
    (45) Was Ann sleepy?-----------------
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    • CommentAuthorXyuzhg (Moderator)
    • CommentTimeJul 29th 2015
     
    (45) No.-----------------
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      CommentAuthorBioManiac R2 (Moderator)
    • CommentTimeJul 29th 2015
     
    does the woman have a split personality?

    was she in this split personality when she killed him?

    does she have some sort of mental condition such as insanity that made her want to kill him?

    does she have alzheimer's ?


    - this would explain how she got away with killing him, but not WHY she wanted to (or her split personality wanted to)
    • CommentAuthorXyuzhg (Moderator)
    • CommentTimeJul 30th 2015 edited
     
    No, the woman does not have a split personality.
    Yes, she has some sort of mental condition that made her want to kill him.
    No, she does not have Alzheimer's.-----------------
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      CommentAuthorBioManiac R2 (Moderator)
    • CommentTimeJul 30th 2015
     
    is her mental condition insanity?
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      CommentAuthorVanderwaal
    • CommentTimeJul 30th 2015
     
    Did seeing the cigarettes give the woman a strong emotional response (fear, anger, whatever)?
    • CommentAuthorXyuzhg (Moderator)
    • CommentTimeJul 30th 2015 edited
     
    BioManiac R2:

    'Insanity' as a 'mental condition' is not defined precisely.

    Vanderwaal:

    Yes, seeing the cigarettes gave the woman a strong emotional response.
    (No, this does not mean that the killing was on impulse.)-----------------
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      CommentAuthorMathdude314 (Advanced Member)
    • CommentTimeJul 30th 2015
     
    (46) Did she think for at least 16 seconds before deciding to kill Joe?
    (47) Did she think for at least 32 seconds?
    (48) Did she think for at least 64 seconds?
    (49) Did she think for at least 128 seconds?-----------------
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    • CommentAuthorXyuzhg (Moderator)
    • CommentTimeJul 30th 2015
     
    (49) Yes.-----------------
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      CommentAuthorMathdude314 (Advanced Member)
    • CommentTimeJul 30th 2015
     
    (50) Did he buy a specific type of cigarettes?
    (51) Did she request a specific type of cigarettes?-----------------
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    • CommentAuthorXyuzhg (Moderator)
    • CommentTimeJul 30th 2015
     
    (50) No.
    (51) No.-----------------
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      CommentAuthorVanderwaal
    • CommentTimeJul 30th 2015
     
    Was there something on the box with cigarettes (like a spider)?
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      CommentAuthorBioManiac R2 (Moderator)
    • CommentTimeJul 30th 2015
     
    was she suffering from / is / has:
    1 - anxiety?
    2 - bipolar?
    3 - depression?
    4 - panic attacks?
    5 - schizophrenia?
    6 - amnesia?
    7 - autism?
    8 - OCD ?
    9 - ADHD?

    was she sad that she killed him a right after he died?
    was she happy she killed him a right after he died?

    was she sad that she killed him a year after ?
    was she happy she killed him a year after?

    @Xyuahg, I am trying to solve this, I just haven't had many questions to ask. Please don't reveal the answer.
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      CommentAuthorMathdude314 (Advanced Member)
    • CommentTimeJul 30th 2015
     
    2 - No. This question was already asked.-----------------
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      CommentAuthorBioManiac R2 (Moderator)
    • CommentTimeJul 30th 2015
     
    it was? where? by who? I don't see it O_o
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      CommentAuthorMathdude314 (Advanced Member)
    • CommentTimeJul 30th 2015
     
    Oh, I saw "bipolar" as a synonym for "split personality"...-----------------
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      CommentAuthorMathdude314 (Advanced Member)
    • CommentTimeAug 2nd 2015
     
    (52) Are you going to answer our questions?-----------------
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    did the person selling the cigaretts come to the man's house and murder him
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      CommentAuthorMathdude314 (Advanced Member)
    • CommentTimeAug 3rd 2015
     
    Umm... I think that question is equivalent to "Was she the person selling the cigarettes", as she was the one who killed him.-----------------
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      CommentAuthorVanderwaal
    • CommentTimeAug 7th 2015
     
    It looks like some questions will never be answered.
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      CommentAuthorMathdude314 (Advanced Member)
    • CommentTimeAug 9th 2015
     
    Aww man, I really want to know the answer!-----------------
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      CommentAuthorMathdude314 (Advanced Member)
    • CommentTimeAug 26th 2015
     
    Ok, I think I'm going to start my own riddle, and declare Xyuzhg's riddle dead.

    Well... on second thought, I'll let people decide if they WANT to see mine.-----------------
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      CommentAuthorBioManiac R2 (Moderator)
    • CommentTimeAug 27th 2015
     
    I dont want to let people decide i want you to post your riddle :P
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      CommentAuthorMathdude314 (Advanced Member)
    • CommentTimeAug 27th 2015 edited
     
    One thing I don't like about giving these puzzles is that it's hard to know how easy something is once you know the solution. The best estimate is how hard you found it, but you might be some special thinker who gets these easily, and it might have been something old that you don't remember how hard you found it, but you remember the puzzle.

    Of course, if you do a trial run with a friend, it's better. This is actually what I did, and I think this puzzle is probably medium difficulty. It's the best one I have that doesn't involve death.

    Here goes:

    A manufacturing company has created a robot designed to create toys from supplied raw materials. They did many days of testing and worked hundreds of times in a row without any problems. It was so good and efficient that they decided to do a public demonstration...
    ...but everything went wrong. Despite being given ample materials and time, the robot was unable to create even one toy, despite struggling for over 10 minutes. The company took the robot back to the testing, tried, and everything was fine and continued to work.

    Why did the robot fail?



    I inserted some of my own for the sake of it.

    • had power
    • did not have any form of feelings or emotions (e.g. shyness)
    • did not interact with any humans
    • did not create the designs on the fly
    • was not a humanoid
    • can move around
    • has moving parts
    • did not break during the demonstration
    • could not create anything at all during the demonstration
    • is not a 3D printer


    • did not know what the problem was
    • was not watching the robot too carefully


    • Figuring out the name of the company will not give useful information
    • Figuring out anything about the weather will not give useful information


    • The demonstration was indoors
    • People watched the demonstration
    • The type of toy does not matter
    • The materials don\\'t matter

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      CommentAuthorBioManiac R2 (Moderator)
    • CommentTimeAug 27th 2015
     
    was the public demonstration outside?
    was it sunny?
    did people watch the demonstration?
    did the robot interact with the people?
    were the toys to be created already designed?
    did the robot create the designs on the fly?
    did the robot require input to make toys? (toy data, designs, drawings, ideas, of some sort, not physical input)
    did the robot have the information/design data to create the toys?
    is the robot a humanoid?
    does the robot move (overall I mean, like walk, roll, etc) ?
    is the robot stationary? (again, overall, it can still have moving parts inside)
    does the robot have moving parts?
    did the parts move?
    are there many different raw materials for the toys? (type of materials i mean, metal, wood, plastic, etc)
    do the raw materials even matter?
    does the type of toy even matter?
    did the robot break during the demonstration? ie, did it require repairs before it could work again?
    did it create anything at all during the demonstration (ie, failed toys? broken toys? )


    i think thats a good start
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      CommentAuthorVanderwaal
    • CommentTimeAug 28th 2015
     
    Was the robot a 3D printer?
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      CommentAuthorMathdude314 (Advanced Member)
    • CommentTimeAug 28th 2015
     
    I've decided to keep a global count of all questions asked. I will insert question numbers if they are not provided.

    BioManiac R2:
    1. was the public demonstration outside?
    2. was it sunny?
    3. did people watch the demonstration?
    4. did the robot interact with the people?
    5. were the toys to be created already designed?
    6. did the robot create the designs on the fly?
    7. did the robot require input to make toys? (toy data, designs, drawings, ideas, of some sort, not physical input)
    8. did the robot have the information/design data to create the toys?
    9. is the robot a humanoid?
    10. does the robot move (overall I mean, like walk, roll, etc) ?
    11. is the robot stationary? (again, overall, it can still have moving parts inside)
    12. does the robot have moving parts?
    13. did the parts move?
    14. are there many different raw materials for the toys? (type of materials i mean, metal, wood, plastic, etc)
    15. do the raw materials even matter?
    16. does the type of toy even matter?
    17. did the robot break during the demonstration? ie, did it require repairs before it could work again?
    18. did it create anything at all during the demonstration (ie, failed toys? broken toys? )

    Vanderwaal:
    19. Was the robot a 3D printer?

    (Question mark after a number indicates I might interpret it differently from you)
    YES: 3, 5?, 7?, 8, 10, 12, 14
    NO: 1, 4, 6, 9, 11, 15, 16, 17, 18, 19
    Ill-formed: 13
    Irrelevant: 2

    I take the word "design" to be how it looks and where each piece goes, not a finished product. (Like, a digital model.)
    For 5 I take it you're asking the following: Did they have a specific blueprint for the design of the toy? YES.
    For 7, I take it as exactly the same question as 8.
    I take 10 and 11 as exact opposites.
    By 13, do you mean the toy parts or the robot parts? I cannot even take a guess here.-----------------
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      CommentAuthorBioManiac R2 (Moderator)
    • CommentTimeAug 29th 2015
     
    yes I meant the parts of the robot, did the robot parts move at all during the demonstration?

    did the robot's parts try to move but could not? ie - they got stuck, jammed, blocked, etc
    does the orientation of the robot matter? ie - can it still work properly upside down?
    was the robot in the correct orientation?
    does the robot walk?
    can the robot see?
    were the lights off?
    does the robot have to get the materials itself? (ie -from a shelf, bin, etc)
    or are the materials provided to the robot? (ie - fall through a tube, conveyor, etc)
    are the materials inside the robot? (before starting)
    was the reason it did not work obvious to the company? (ie they knew why it didn't work and knew how to fix it)
    was the reason it did not work obvious to the observers?
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      CommentAuthorMathdude314 (Advanced Member)
    • CommentTimeAug 29th 2015 edited
     
    13. did the robot parts move at all during the demonstration?
    YES

    20. did the robot's parts try to move but could not? ie - they got stuck, jammed, blocked, etc
    21. does the orientation of the robot matter? ie - can it still work properly upside down?
    22. was the robot in the correct orientation?
    23. does the robot walk?
    24. can the robot see?
    25. were the lights off?
    26. does the robot have to get the materials itself? (ie -from a shelf, bin, etc)
    27. or are the materials provided to the robot? (ie - fall through a tube, conveyor, etc)
    28. are the materials inside the robot? (before starting)
    29. was the reason it did not work obvious to the company? (ie they knew why it didn't work and knew how to fix it)
    30. was the reason it did not work obvious to the observers?

    Yes: 23, 24, 27, 30
    No: 20, 21, 25, 26?, 28, 29
    Irrelevant: 22
    Ill-formed: [none]

    26: Think of the stage like this:

    +-----------------+
    |     STAGE      |
    |                    |
    | [    ]    [  M ] |
    | [    ]    [     ] |
    |  R                |
    |                    |
    +-———————-+
    Obviously this is a very rough sketch, and the robot is probably three times as big as I gave it credit for. But you get the idea. So it might have had to move around a bit, grabbing the materials, and then having the workspace. So, yeah.
    (M = materials. [ ] = table. R = robot.)

    Or I'm just bad at explaining things like this.-----------------
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      CommentAuthorBioManiac R2 (Moderator)
    • CommentTimeAug 29th 2015 edited
     
    so... it walks but it isn't a humanoid..?

    you're aware that humanoid robots don't have to look human right? they just have two arms and two legs...


    (url)


    does the robot have two arms?
    does the robot have two legs?